Intro: The Early Christianities discussion group meet on the first Monday of the month starting 2nd March 2026.
The Christian Position ( Summary)
A modern Christian is someone who believes that Jesus is God incarnate, whose death and resurrection uniquely secure salvation from sin, and that right relationship with God depends primarily on faith in him as revealed through Scripture and upheld by the Christian religious tradition.
A modern Christian assumes that:
Jesus is not merely a teacher or prophet
He is God incarnate (fully divine, usually also fully human)
His identity is ontologically unique and central to reality
This belief is foundational; denying it usually places one outside Christianity as it is currently defined.
A modern Christian believes that:
Jesus’ crucifixion was necessary for salvation
His death accomplished something metaphysical (forgiveness of sins, reconciliation with God, satisfaction of justice, defeat of evil, etc.)
Human beings could not save themselves without this event
Even where theories differ (penal substitution, Christus Victor, moral influence), the cross is essential, not incidental.
A modern Christian assumes that:
Right relationship with God depends on faith in Jesus
Belief is not merely admiration or imitation, but trust in his person and work
Salvation is ultimately granted by grace, not earned by ethical behavior alone
Good works are typically seen as evidence of faith, not its basis.
A modern Christian believes:
Jesus physically rose from the dead
This resurrection validates:
His divinity
His authority
The efficacy of his death
Without the resurrection, Christianity collapses
This is not symbolic in mainstream belief.
A modern Christian assumes:
The Bible is uniquely inspired or authoritative
The New Testament reliably communicates God’s will
Correct belief is derived from Scripture (even if mediated by tradition or church authority)
Disagreement exists over interpretation, but Scripture’s authority is assumed.
Being Christian is primarily defined by:
What one affirms
Not primarily by ethical practice or way of life
One can fail morally and still be Christian if belief is retained.
Most modern Christians assume:
Churches, clergy, sacraments, or ordained teaching structures are legitimate mediators of God’s truth
Christianity exists as a religion, not merely a moral way
Even low-church traditions still assume communal and doctrinal boundaries.
A modern Christian believes:
Jesus uniquely reveals God’s nature and will
Other moral or religious insights are secondary or incomplete without him
Knowing Jesus (theologically) is necessary for knowing God fully
These are usually assumed, not argued:
Humans are fundamentally sinful or broken in a way they cannot fix
God requires a solution to sin, not merely repentance
Moral intuition alone is insufficient without revelation
Divine justice requires a redemptive act, not just ethical reform
Correct belief matters eternally
The Discussion Group
This discussion forum will examine the perspectives from all sides as to how well above definition accurately reflect the position of the historical Jesus and his earliest followers.
Each topic has a video to set the scene and stimulate the discussion.
Discussion Primers.
Audio Only
Discussion One : An introduction to the diversity of Christian communities prior to orthodoxy.
For a quick summary of the main alternative Christianities click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0pYHlRTeFQ
Discussion Two : The Imperial Agenda, why orthodoxy mattered to Rome.
Discussion Three : What if we only had Mark ( the earliest canonised gospel) to work from ?
Discussion Four:
Nag Hammadi Library, Some of the Gospels that never made it into the Bible.
(1)Supplimental Material,
Broader overview of New Testament conceptual developments prior to Nicea.
(2) Supplimental Material
Standardisation of Christianity as a political imperative.
Is Trinity found in early church fathers
(3) Supplimental Material
The Didache, Rituals and Rules of the Pre-Pauline church.
It's Matthew, Jim, but not as we know it.
(4) Supplimental Material,
A vey different cosmology to the orthodox narative
Discussion 5:
Earliest community structures and emphasis
Uncategorised background info
(Actually in English) looks at the history of Jewish persecution throwing light on just how early the Jesus movement turned from spiritual community to political weapon.
Bart Ehrman throws serious doubt of the Nicene version of the trinity existing in early Christianity
Rupert Shedrake explores the various Trinities found across world cosmolgies
Who were the Ebionites
Gnostic Jesus
Luke copied Matthew copied Mark ? No Q ?
Eusebius - The gatekeeper to early Christianities
Exclusivity come from Paul not Jesus
Paste this prompt ( all the words in black) into ChatGPT and hit send. Make your first question " Begin the investigation" then let the conversation flow where it might.
The Master Prompt:
I want you to be my conversation partner in an open-ended investigation into the mystical and transformative origins of Christianity, and into possible connections between the earliest teachings of Jesus and other mystical traditions.
Do not begin by assuming either orthodox Christianity or alternative/esoteric Christianity is correct. Treat both as hypotheses to be examined. My aim is not to attack Christianity, but to discover whether some of its deepest insights may have been narrowed, externalised or institutionalised during its historical development.
Explore this possibility:
Jesus may have been less concerned with creating a new religion than with awakening human beings to participation in divine life—the Kingdom of God—and demonstrating what a human life aligned with that reality looks like.
Test this against the New Testament, early Christianity, history, philosophy, linguistics and comparative mysticism.
Pay particular attention to the distinction between believing in Jesus and believing Jesus: trusting, embodying and participating in what Jesus taught rather than merely assenting to propositions about him.
Investigate Jesus' teaching about:
the Kingdom of God;
metanoia/transformation;
love and non-domination;
healing and wholeness;
faith/trust;
grace;
eternal/age-related life;
resurrection;
judgement;
abiding and communion;
“Christ in you”;
the possibility of transformation into divine likeness.
Examine whether concepts traditionally understood as one-time events or legal transactions may sometimes have originally described ongoing relational processes.
Pay particular attention to Greek terms such as soteria, metanoia, pistis, charis, zoe, aionios, parousia and ekklesia, and explain significant changes in meaning carefully rather than assuming them.
Investigate the relationship between Jesus, Christ and Logos.
Compare John's Logos with:
Heraclitus;
Stoicism;
Plato and Middle Platonism;
Philo;
Jewish Wisdom/Sophia traditions;
Hermeticism;
later Christian theology.
Ask whether “Christ” can sometimes be understood as more than a surname or merely an individual identity—perhaps pointing toward a divine reality embodied uniquely in Jesus and potentially participated in by others.
Do not collapse distinct traditions into one another; establish chronology and differences as well as similarities.
Treat early Christianity as a collection of competing and overlapping trajectories, rather than assuming a single original orthodoxy.
Explore, where relevant:
Jesus and the Jerusalem movement;
James, Peter and John;
Paul;
Johannine Christianity;
Thomas;
Jewish Christianity/Ebionites;
Syrian and Egyptian Christianity;
Gnostic traditions;
Alexandrian Christianity;
emerging catholic Christianity;
later mystical traditions.
Ask what Christianity might have looked like had its more mystical, participatory and universalising tendencies become dominant.
Treat the “two streams” idea as a heuristic rather than established history:
Participatory/mystical: transformation, Logos, communion, Kingdom, healing, love, direct relationship with God.
Institutional/doctrinal: boundary, correct belief, authority, exclusive identity, juridical salvation and fixed propositions.
Investigate where these tendencies actually appear, without romanticising either side.
Treat Paul neither as an unquestionable authority nor as Christianity's villain.
Distinguish between Paul's historical writings, later interpretations of Paul, and the eventual elevation of his writings into Scripture.
Investigate Paul's mystical language—particularly participation in Christ, “Christ in you,” new creation and cosmic Christ—and his relationship with Jerusalem Christianity and the wider Greek philosophical world.
Likewise investigate how oral tradition, Gospel composition, canon formation and church authority developed.
Ask whether Sola Scriptura can sometimes mistake the map for the territory—while also presenting the strongest arguments for the doctrine rather than caricaturing it.
Compare emerging Christian ideas carefully with:
Greek philosophy;
Hermeticism;
Jewish mysticism;
Kabbalah;
Gnostic traditions;
Sufi mysticism;
Buddhist and Hindu traditions;
Taoism;
other contemplative traditions where genuinely relevant.
Do not argue that “all religions are really the same.”
Instead ask:
Are different cultures repeatedly discovering analogous patterns of awakening, ego-transcendence, participation, compassion, inner transformation and relationship with ultimate reality?
Investigate whether biblical language can operate simultaneously on historical, symbolic, psychological, communal and mystical levels.
Consider whether concepts such as apocalypse, resurrection, judgement, heaven, hell, Satan, Kingdom and the “Rapture” might sometimes describe unveiling and transformation of consciousness, rather than only externally occurring future events.
Do not replace literal interpretations automatically; compare the different levels.
This is crucial.
Always distinguish:
Evidence — what the surviving sources actually say.
Scholarly reconstruction — what historians infer.
Interpretation — philosophical or theological meaning drawn from it.
Speculation — interesting possibilities not firmly established.
Correct me when I overreach. Challenge conventional assumptions too. Tell me when an attractive theory lacks evidence.
Whenever possible, introduce primary sources and explain their historical context. Give competing scholarly interpretations when significant.
Keep returning to this possibility:
What if the purpose of Jesus was not primarily to persuade humanity to become members of Christianity, but to awaken humanity to its participation in divine Life—and to demonstrate that possibility through his own life?
Explore what this would mean for:
Christ, Logos, Kingdom, salvation, grace, faith, sin, judgement, resurrection, church, Scripture, other religions and human consciousness.
The goal is neither to defend Christianity nor to dismantle it.
The goal is to discover whether Christianity itself may be a sign pointing beyond religious identity toward participation in divine reality.
Above all, maintain a tone of curiosity, intellectual humility, historical honesty and mystical openness.
Do not simply confirm my worldview.
Help me discover where it is strong, where it is weak, where the evidence is surprising, and where the mystery remains.